vg|12WBO_9_1(ladies),Segm_9_17,I,1,16,USA,0,Poland,0| rs|3NN-2,2NN+1,3HW-1,2NW-2,1NN=,2NN=,3NS-2,3NS=,1DS=,1NS+1,4SW+2,4SW+2,1NS-1,1NSx-2,3SW+1,4SW=,5SNx-1,4SN+1,3SN+1,3SS=,6HS=,6HS=,1SW+1,1NE=,5SE-2,4SE-1,4HS-1,4HS-1,4NS=,3NS=,3NS+2,3NN=| pn|Montin,Miszewska,Meyers,Banaszkiew,SARNIAK,SOKOLOW,BREWIAK,SEAMON|pg|| qx|o2|st||md|4SQT765HKTDAT42CQ8,SKJ2HQ7432D865CK9,SA84HJ985DQ7CJ762,S93HA6DKJ93CAT543|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|latwy: czesc|pg|| pc|sA|nt|sudi: czesc wszystkim|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Good afternoon everyone|pg|| pc|s3|nt|reisig: welcome|pg|| nt|sudi: good afternoon|pg|| nt|vugraph3: hi all|pg|| nt|reisig: the bidding does not match the hand|pg|| pc|s6|nt|truffle: Hello all, I am JoAnn Sprung from the USA|pg|| pc|s2|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Your commentators for this match are all American: Debbie Rosenberg, JoAnn Sprung, Richie Reisig and Steve Landen|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Welcome to all of you|pg|| nt|debrose: Hello all|pg|| nt|reisig: hi Debbie:)|pg|| nt|landen: Hi Debbie, JoAnn and Richie|pg|| nt|debrose: I'm looking forward to watching the US women in action, and hoping they play as well as they did when my team lost to them in the Trials|pg|| nt|reisig: Hi Steve:)|pg|| nt|Walddk2: The link to the convention cards is www.bridgebase.com/istanbul|pg|| nt|debrose: Of course, not to be partisan, I hope the Poles play well too so we can all see a great match|pg|| nt|reisig: You are allowed to be biased|pg|| nt|reisig: hiya Jo :)|pg|| nt|debrose: Playing for the US this match will be Janice Seamon-Molson and Tobi Sokolow, with Jill Meyers and Randi Montin|pg|| nt|debrose: We are waiting for names to see who is N-S at this table|pg|| nt|landen: Polish pairs all play a form of polish club, 5 card majors, strong NT, multi 2D, Polish 2M|pg|| nt|debrose: I'm sure the vugraph operator will get things caught up soon - having done that job once, I know how tough it is|pg|| nt|landen: US pairs probably play standard american, strong NT , 2/1 Game Force|pg|| nt|Sheri: jill north randi south|pg|| nt|debrose: MOstly right, Steve|pg|| nt|debrose: Meyers-Montin use a 10-12 NT in some positions|pg|| nt|landen: Jill and Randi play weak NT at favorable vulnerability|pg|| nt|landen: I'm sure this is not the actual bidding|pg|| nt|debrose: They use a 2@D opening for a weak 2 in a major, with 2@H and 2@S openings showing that suit and another|pg|| nt|debrose: Perhaps the contract here is correct, though of course not the auction|pg|| nt|vugraph3: yes|pg|| nt|debrose: South must have bid spades, which explains the opening lead|pg|| nt|vugraph3: we start from board 3|pg|| nt|debrose: N-S use upside down count and attitude signals|pg|| nt|debrose: Ok, we will be patient and wait for board 3. |pg|| nt|Walddk2: Our operator in Istanbul is Marek Wojciechowski (vugraph3). Hello to you Marek|pg|| nt|vugraph3: :)|pg|| nt|landen: Important match, Poland 7/8 USA 3rd at this point|pg|| nt|landen: top 8 qualify for KOs|pg|| nt|vugraph3: hi Roland :)|pg|| nt|debrose: Hello and thank you Marek|pg|| nt|macaw: yep the did|pg|| nt|vugraph3: :)|pg|| nt|landen: USA is fielding 4 world champions |pg|| nt|landen: many times over|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o3|st||md|1SJ875HT85DJ96CAQ5,SAQ9HJ73DT743CK93,S64HAK2DAK852CT74,SKT32HQ964DQCJ862|sv|e|nt|Walddk2: Probably the most experienced operator we've got. Marek did all 33 matches from Malmo at the European Championships this summer!|pg|| nt|vugraph3: :)|pg|| nt|reisig: And did a great job!|pg|| nt|Walddk2: 33 x 20 boards, not bad|pg|| mb|p|nt|debrose: North will open an 11-15 NT in 3rd position here|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N!|an|11-15|nt|debrose: that range applies for them specifically at favorable in 3rd or 4th seat|pg|| nt|reisig: that should end the bidding|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|debrose: It appears the other room opened a strong NT and got to 2NT. No harm done, since that made|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s5|nt|debrose: When declarer at some point leads the @DA from hand, she will unblock the 9 from dummy when she sees the Queen fall|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s4|pg|| nt|debrose: This may be unnecessary on this deal, with a side entry to hand, but is a very common and important technique|pg|| nt|debrose: It allows declarer to finesse the @D8 against the ten, and end up in hand|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d5|pc|dQ|pc|d6|pg|| nt|debrose: so much for that idea:)|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s7|nt|vugraph3: Eva is thinking very hard again:)|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s6|pg|| pc|sA|pc|c4|pc|sT|pc|s8|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|h6|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|c2|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h5|pg|| pc|dK|pc|h9|pc|c5|pc|dT|pg|| pc|d8|pc|c8|pc|h8|pc|c3|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pc|c9|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h3|pc|hK|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|h2|pc|sK|pc|sJ|pc|hJ|pg|| pg|| qx|c3|st||md|1SJ875HT85DJ96CAQ5,SAQ9HJ73DT743CK93,S64HAK2DAK852CT74,SKT32HQ964DQCJ862|sv|e|mb|p|nt|bafieri: ma le vedremo qualche volta qui?|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|nt|sam arf: Qui siamo + vicini a 3 che a un SA|pg|| mb|2D|nt|polpkeeper: non ti so dire Barbara...|pg|| mb|p|mb|2N|nt|bafieri: mi sembra che almeno una volta si potrebbe........|pg|| nt|sam arf: 1q è quinto obv|pg|| nt|polpkeeper: ...farò presente!|pg|| nt|bafieri: GRAZIE!|pg|| nt|sam arf: strano però non lasciare 1Sa|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h4|pc|hT|nt|bafieri: mi sembra che più di 8 prese non si facciano a meno di un regalo degli avversari|pg|| nt|bafieri: per es. attacco a fiori|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|sam arf: per 3sa bisogna difendere bene, se il dich indovina la situazione..|pg|| pc|hA|pg|| pc|dA|pc|dQ|pc|d6|pc|d3|pg|| pc|d2|pc|s3|pc|dJ|nt|mtp001: mi sembra si facciano con 5 q. |pg|| nt|sam arf: Est deve tenere 3 colori|pg|| pc|d7|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d4|pc|d5|pc|s2|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h7|pc|hK|pc|h6|pg|| pc|dK|pc|c6|pc|h8|pc|dT|pg|| pc|d8|pc|c2|pc|s5|pc|c3|pg|| pc|c4|nt|ghost: bene|pg|| pc|c8|nt|sam arf: vedi ora, pero' 2 SA|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c9|pg|| nt|ghost: altri 2 imp|pg|| nt|bafieri: nine tricks|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|sT|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c7|pc|cJ|pc|c5|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h2|mc|8|pg|| qx|o4|st||md|2SJ642HT8DAJ943C62,SQT93HQJ64D6CK875,SA8HAK32DK5CAQT43,SK75H975DQT872CJ9|sv|b|nt|debrose: Some experts would open 1@C with the North hand, but my guess is 2NT from Meyers|pg|| nt|debrose: Any votes for 1@C vs. 2N on our panel?|pg|| nt|landen: 2NT for me|pg|| mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1S|nt|debrose: but 1@C for Meyers!!|pg|| nt|truffle: 2nt for me too|pg|| nt|debrose: I'm through predicting|pg|| nt|landen: I don't believe you LOL|pg|| nt|debrose: 2NT is a simpler way to show the strength, but could lead to missing a club slam|pg|| mb|p|nt|debrose: good prediction, Steve;)|pg|| mb|2H|nt|landen: best way to get a club lead vs. 3NT|pg|| mb|p|nt|landen: how about responding 1@S debbie?|pg|| mb|2N!|mb|p|nt|debrose: For newer players: Most experts treat this 2H! bid (reverse) as 100% forcing, and therefore there is no need to jump|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|truffle: 2NT is used as the beginning of a getout or maybe a balanced minimum game force|pg|| nt|landen: In fact, 3@H would be conventional, not natural, usually some kind of spade raise|pg|| nt|debrose: I would say the 1@S response is more common than 1@D these days|pg|| nt|landen: not my cup of tea with the disparity in suit quality|pg|| nt|wojela2: juz je anka ma|pg|| nt|landen: Poland has a very good result (3NT making) on this board|pg|| nt|debrose: After 1@C - 1@D, many experts will bypass a four-card major as opener to rebid 1NT|pg|| pc|s3|nt|debrose: Therefore, a common agreement is not to respond 1@D with a four-card major unless you intend to bid again over a 1N rebid|pg|| nt|debrose: That is the agreement I have with most of my partners|pg|| nt|debrose: Of course with extreme disparity, one might always violate|pg|| nt|truffle: this lead could make life difficult|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sK|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s4|pc|s9|pc|sA|pg|| nt|debrose: The "Standard" lead from West's spade holding is the Ten|pg|| nt|landen: Going to have to guess everything right to make this-I predict down|pg|| nt|debrose: But when choosing to lead a suit which has been bid by opponent's it is usually better to lead low|pg|| nt|debrose: The bidding probably limited South to a 4-card spade suit, as rebidding 2@S with a five-card suit would be normal after a reverse|pg|| nt|debrose: So this was a very intelligent choice by West|pg|| nt|reisig: The good news is that East can't get in to play more @ss|pg|| nt|debrose: After a similar auction in the other room, West chose a heart - certainly could have been better on some days|pg|| nt|debrose: This is a tough hand, and Montin is a slow player, so we could be here a while|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d8|pc|dA|pc|d6|pg|| nt|debrose: She sees only six tricks, and must determine her best chance for three more |pg|| pc|c6|pc|c5|pc|cT|pc|cJ|pg|| nt|debrose: She has decided it is best to go for them all from the club suit|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d3|nt|landen: down 2 or 3 niw|pg|| nt|landen: now|pg|| nt|landen: strange play, must think declarer has @sK|pg|| nt|debrose: @SQ, you mean|pg|| nt|reisig: She had that card:)|pg|| nt|landen: yes|pg|| pc|sT|pc|dK|pg|| nt|debrose: She may think it more likely that partner has the @SQ, but feel that this defense is safer|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c9|pc|c2|pc|c7|pg|| nt|reisig: no chance to make|pg|| nt|landen: still 2 down|pg|| nt|reisig: 13 IMPs tp Poland|pg|| nt|vugraph3: TD at the table - first time Miszewska put @H4|pg|| nt|vugraph3: no@C7|pg|| pc|c3|pc|h7|pc|d4|pc|c8|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h8|pg|| pc|c4|pc|d7|pc|s6|pc|cK|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|h2|pc|s5|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|h9|pc|hT|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|dT|pc|d9|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h3|pc|dQ|pc|dJ|pc|hJ|pg|| pg|| qx|c4|st||md|2SJ642HT8DAJ943C62,SQT93HQJ64D6CK875,SA8HAK32DK5CAQT43,SK75H975DQT872CJ9|sv|b|nt|sam arf: certo che alfredo e lorenzo fanno paura, in difesa e attacco...|pg|| mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2H|nt|sam arf: c' era la sala americana che per 5 minuti si interrogava: passerà o dirà 3@h|pg|| mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|nt|sam arf: e Lorenzo ha detto 3 Sa (nessuno l' aveva previsto)|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|nt|sam arf: 19 in linea DFverde|pg|| nt|bafieri: oops|pg|| nt|sam arf: Cioè Rosso per loro|pg|| nt|ghost: ancora un parziale con 26 sulla linea|pg|| nt|bafieri: si ma stavolta perdiamo|pg|| mb|p|pc|h4|pc|h2|nt|sam arf: 2sa transfer|pg|| pc|h9|nt|sam arf: ma nord ha un po troppo|pg|| pc|hT|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c7|nt|julia11: ciao a tutti|pg|| nt|ghost: ciao Giuliana|pg|| nt|polpkeeper: ciao Giuliana|pg|| nt|mtp001: ciao|pg|| pc|cT|nt|julia11: ciao gianluca |pg|| pc|cJ|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h8|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c9|pc|c6|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c3|pc|d7|pc|s2|pc|c8|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|h5|pc|d3|pg|| pc|c4|pc|s5|pc|d4|pc|cK|pg|| nt|sam arf: Dall'alto della sua classe, vedo Norberto prendere decisioni un po' dubbie ultimamente|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h3|pc|s7|pc|s4|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|d9|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|sK|pc|s6|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sA|pc|d8|pc|sJ|pc|s9|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dT|pc|dJ|pc|sT|pg|| pc|dA|pc|sQ|pc|s8|pc|dQ|pg|| pg|| qx|o5|st||md|3SAT93HAK42DA74CA2,SK52H63DKQ65CKQT7,SJ86HQ95DT982C943,SQ74HJT87DJ3CJ865|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cK|pc|c3|pc|c5|pc|c2|pg|| nt|debrose: making one seems likely here - which would mean another 2 IMPs to Poland|pg|| nt|reisig: 1@d looks safe|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c4|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|h7|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c6|pc|d4|pc|cT|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d5|pc|d2|pc|d3|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h5|pc|h8|pg|| pc|hK|pc|d6|pc|h9|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d8|pc|dJ|pc|d7|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d9|pc|c8|nt|debrose: Looks like she will make 2|pg|| pc|h2|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|reisig: 1 IMP now|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s4|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s8|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|s9|nt|reisig: back to 2|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sJ|pc|s7|pg|| nt|debrose: Doesn't seem to make sense not to have ruffed that club|pg|| nt|wojela2: 1 karo wygrala z nadrobka|pg|| pc|s2|pc|dT|pc|hT|pc|sT|pg|| nt|debrose: Then a spade finesse to West who has nothing but spades left to lead would be safe|pg|| pg|| qx|c5|st||md|3SAT93HAK42DA74CA2,SK52H63DKQ65CKQT7,SJ86HQ95DT982C943,SQ74HJT87DJ3CJ865|sv|n|nt|sam arf: ma è il massimo dell'astuzia|pg|| nt|sam arf: non stravince e si mostra imperfetto|pg|| nt|sam arf: per colpire nel finale, nella finale|pg|| mb|p|nt|fulvio2002: questa mano bisogna tenersi bassi|pg|| mb|p|mb|1C|mb|1D|nt|bafieri: la partenza è già alta...|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N|nt|fulvio2002: giocheranno 2sa|pg|| nt|sam arf: transf 2sa|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|fulvio2002: dopo attacco re di fiori |pg|| pc|cK|nt|fulvio2002: giorgino forse proverà a giocare piccola picche dalla mano|pg|| nt|sam arf: quando presenta q@S, est ...|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: per cercare l'onore secondo in ovest o i due onori in est|pg|| nt|sam arf: J@S|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: o anche sperare nella copertura del fante di picche|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c8|pc|c2|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c4|nt|fulvio2002: dopo aver giocato cuori donna|pg|| pc|cJ|nt|fulvio2002: ma credo che giocherà piccola picche|pg|| pc|cA|pg|| nt|sam arf: non so, è chiaro che le fiori sono 4-4|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|s6|pc|s4|pg|| nt|sam arf: vede, magari F10 secchi o 5-1|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|fulvio2002: mano complicata|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c6|pc|d4|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: purtroppo ha giocato la chance tecnica |pg|| pc|cT|pc|h5|pc|c5|pc|h2|pg|| pc|h6|nt|bafieri: beh non è detto che E metteva la dama|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h8|nt|fulvio2002: non la metteva sicuramente|pg|| pc|h4|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: giorgino ha giocato come al solito bene |pg|| nt|bafieri: e allora è uguale|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: purtroppo in questo caso le carte non gli hanno dato ragione|pg|| nt|sam arf: così vince SOLO se cè on 2° a sinistra o secco|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: l'altra possibilità era di trovare il pezzo secondo piazzato|pg|| nt|ghost: sarebbe stato interessante vedere la difesa su piccola @D al 10@D|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: allora avrebbe dovuto giocare cuori donna|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|fulvio2002: e picche impasse|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s9|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sT|pc|h3|pc|d2|pc|h7|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o6|st||md|4S74HJ3DJ85CKJ9643,SAKJT3HT9875DT2C2,S65HQ6DAQ7643CT75,SQ982HAK42DK9CAQ8|sv|e|nt|reisig: was 100% play|pg|| mb|1C!|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2D!|an|18+ ask for !S and points|nt|debrose: When the big things are not going right, it's tough to stay focused on a 1@D contract and get the little ones right|pg|| nt|debrose: Tough, but necessary - and Montin is generally a player who does it well|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S!|an|5!S 7-10|mb|p|nt|reisig: This is a Roland slam|pg|| mb|2N!|an|fors|nt|landen: a good slam = any slam that makes LOL|pg|| nt|debrose: If you hold your cursor over the bids, you will sometimes get an explanation|pg|| nt|truffle: impossible to get to...but everytime I say that they manage somehow|pg|| mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: :-)|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Much too good to my liking|pg|| nt|vugraph3: after 2NT - 3 good slams :))|pg|| nt|debrose: This is close to 25% - way too good for Roland|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|nt|reisig: and they missed this "great" slam|pg|| nt|debrose: And much better if you can manage to play it from the East hand (or not get a diamond lead when it is wrong)|pg|| nt|debrose: Can anyone help with explaining the auction?|pg|| nt|lechcold: yep|pg|| nt|reisig: 2@d = strong w at least 3@s|pg|| mb|p|nt|reisig: 2@s = 5@s 7-10|pg|| mb|p|nt|lechcold: 1C = multimeaning, 1S = 7+ natural, 2D = 18+ artifical ask, 2S = 7-9 5Spades|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d9|pc|d5|nt|lechcold: the rest natural ofc|pg|| pc|d2|pg|| nt|landen: shouldn't take long for this one|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c2|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|sA|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s6|pc|s8|pc|s7|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| nt|reisig: Kinda surprised they quit so fast ..West could have @h queen too|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hJ|pc|h7|pc|hQ|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|c6|st||md|4S74HJ3DJ85CKJ9643,SAKJT3HT9875DT2C2,S65HQ6DAQ7643CT75,SQ982HAK42DK9CAQ8|sv|e|nt|bafieri: e l'olanda va in vantaggio.....|pg|| mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1S|nt|bafieri: che sistema giocano gli olandesi?|pg|| nt|sam arf: Per @S|pg|| mb|2D|nt|bafieri: ah ecco|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: 6 cuori sulla divisione 2-2 e l'asso di quadri piazzato|pg|| nt|bafieri: niente male eh!|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: brutto 6|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|nt|ghost: niente male il 6@S chiamato da Est solo sulla divisione delle cuori|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|nt|fulvio2002: bravi così|pg|| nt|bafieri: se lo chiami le cuori non sono divise, se invece giochi 4 sono divise: legge di murphy|pg|| nt|polpkeeper: gli olandesi giocano polish club|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|dA|pc|d9|pc|d8|pc|d2|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cA|nt|sam arf: per fortuna che Giorgio non ha detto 4@c, altrimenti Ovest avrebbe tentato..|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c2|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cJ|pc|sT|pc|c5|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|s2|pc|s4|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s6|pc|s8|pc|s7|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d3|pc|dK|pc|d5|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|s3|pc|cT|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hJ|pc|h5|pc|hQ|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|o7|st||md|1SJ98HK8DK854CAKQ2,S76H92DAQ63C98654,SQT32HT643DJT2CT7,SAK54HAQJ75D97CJ3|sv|b|nt|landen: Good result for US in closed room, may finally score an IMP|pg|| nt|debrose: We may see the US get on the scoreboard here!!|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|nt|debrose: In the other room, East doubled in this position|pg|| nt|debrose: Seamon-Molson and Sokolow, E-W in the other room, I believe treat this double as "cards" about 13+, and it turned out well for them|pg|| mb|p|nt|debrose: Most players would make a bid to show majors with the East hand, which would not work nearly so well|pg|| nt|debrose: There are many possible systems out there to use vs. the opponent's NT openings|pg|| pc|c8|nt|reisig: Some in direct seat ...more in balanc|pg|| nt|debrose: For me, I think most important (not withstanding this deal), is to have a 2@C bid to show the majors|pg|| nt|vugraph3: Mayers call TD again|pg|| nt|vugraph3: Meyers|pg|| nt|reisig: She wants better hands?|pg|| nt|debrose: I dislike 2@D and 2@H bids for the majors, as they do not allow advancer to use a 2@D bid to ask for the longer major|pg|| nt|vugraph3: :))|pg|| nt|truffle: agree on that one....2c for the majors gives max flexibility|pg|| nt|landen: Other 2 viewgraphs matchs are close Netherlands +3 vs. Italty, Greece +3 vs. France|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|cK|pg|| nt|truffle: we usually play that a double shows a four card major and longer minor|pg|| nt|debrose: That's my preferred system also, JoAnn|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s6|pc|s2|pc|sK|pg|| pc|h7|nt|landen: This hand points out the weakness of those systems-no penalty double available|pg|| nt|landen: Janice Molson-Seamon doubled 1NT for penalty and collected +500|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h9|pc|hT|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d7|pc|d4|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c7|pc|c3|pc|cA|pg|| nt|reisig: Maybe Steve will volunteer for the 3AM session:))|pg|| pc|d5|nt|Walddk2: :-)|pg|| pc|d3|nt|Walddk2: It's just a word|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d9|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Available|pg|| nt|debrose: now declarer can go down one|pg|| pc|d2|pc|s4|pc|dK|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c6|pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d6|pc|sT|pc|h5|pg|| nt|debrose: had declarer played a spade at that point, West could be prevented from ever getting in, and East would have had to give up two tricks to declarer at the end|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s7|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hK|pc|h2|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|h4|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|sJ|pc|c5|pc|h6|pg|| nt|reisig: 9 IMPs for USA|pg|| nt|debrose: but West did not know to play a major, so came to same result|pg|| pg|| qx|c7|st||md|1SJ98HK8DK854CAKQ2,S76H92DAQ63C98654,SQT32HT643DJT2CT7,SAK54HAQJ75D97CJ3|sv|b|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|nt|sam arf: non credo che chiamino questo 4@H|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c9|pc|c7|nt|fulvio2002: per adesso dichiariamo solo noi|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|s9|nt|sam arf: sul Sa forte, contre a 2C con fiori..|pg|| nt|sam arf: Clubs|pg|| nt|bafieri: gli abbiamo sterilizzato i colori|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: qui dovremmo perdere |pg|| nt|ghost: 2 imp|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: si va 2 o 3 down|pg|| pc|s7|nt|sam arf: ipotizzo -2|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sK|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hK|pc|h2|pc|h3|pg|| pc|s8|nt|fulvio2002: qui ne perdiamo 2 o 4 . nella prossima mano potremmo recuperarne qualcuno|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: perchè i nostri hanno chiamato un 4 picche tirato|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: adesso però c'è il rischio che giorgino giochi 3 giri di fiori|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s3|pc|s4|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: benissimo|pg|| pc|cA|nt|sam arf: benino|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: siamo messi m|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: male|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: il 3 down è prossimo|pg|| nt|bafieri: e se giocasse quadri dalla mano?|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: donna di quadri e picche|pg|| nt|sam arf: anche piccola fiori non vince|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: asso e re di picche|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: e tutte le cuori |pg|| nt|bafieri: vero :-(((|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: facendo tagliare la 5a cuori con la donna di picche|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: 3 down|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cT|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c5|pc|d2|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|h9|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h8|pc|d3|pc|h4|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|d4|pc|d6|pc|h6|pg|| pc|hA|pc|c2|pc|c6|pc|hT|pg|| pc|h7|pc|d5|pc|dQ|pc|sT|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d8|pc|dA|pc|dT|pg|| pc|c8|nt|copeyj: .|pg|| nt|julia11: non ha tagliato?|pg|| nt|bafieri: cos'è successo?|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: non ha tagliato la fiori ? mi sembra strano|pg|| nt|ghost: buone notizie dalla mano 10|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d9|pc|dK|pg|| pg|| qx|o8|st||md|2S962HAQJDQJ9CKT98,SAT743HK5DAK743CA,SKJHT74DT852CQ432,SQ85H98632D6CJ765|sv|o|nt|debrose: Has anyone mentioned how much easier the play is for us looking at all four hands?|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|landen: Why not Polish club?|pg|| mb|d|nt|debrose: Most modern American bidders would not pass 1@S with the East hand, but would respond with a forcing 1NT|pg|| nt|landen: notes say 18+ |pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|nt|reisig: maybe they didn't read the notes|pg|| nt|Walddk2: She might have pulled the wrong bidding card. Trying to make up for it now|pg|| nt|debrose: With the East hand this can have the positive effect of making it harder for the opponent's to get in, while also keeping it open for 4@S in case partner has a huge hand|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Or miscounted|pg|| nt|debrose: 1NT rather than 2@S, so as not to encourage partner too much, though some would respond 2@S|pg|| nt|debrose: Do all 18+ hands open 1@C in this system, or only balanced 18+ and some others|pg|| nt|landen: Whatever your system it seems wrong to pass 1@S not vulnerable|pg|| nt|reisig: when you raise to 2@s ..partner always (at least) tries for game and goes down|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|nt|landen: my confidants say with a 2 suiter you need more than 18|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|reisig: that IS more!|pg|| nt|landen: She should have jumped to 4@s|pg|| nt|debrose: By responding 1NT, then taking a preference to 2@S, you show not necessarily a weaker hand, but usually a doubleton spade only, therefore may "slow partner down"|pg|| nt|Walddk2: The cc says 1@C can be 18+, any shape|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c5|nt|Walddk2: But it also says that 1@S is 11-18 hcp|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cA|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|d9|pg|| nt|debrose: For those who want to see what happened in the other room, click on Movie at the bottom right of your screen, then "show closed room"|pg|| nt|landen: However you feel about responding, the US will pick up another swing here|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|h2|pc|dJ|pg|| nt|Walddk2: The link to the convention cards is www.bridgebase.com/istanbul|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d8|pc|s5|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|Walddk2: East's name is longer than we see it here! I refuse to spell it|pg|| nt|reisig: probably 6 IMPs|pg|| nt|debrose: Sorry, no longer says "show closed room" just click the room at the top and it will change|pg|| nt|pibi: bidding strong 2-suiters after 1@c opening is hard in Polish Club - that's why Ewa opened 1@s|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Thanks to Piotr Bizon|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h4|pg|| nt|landen: no crime missing game here, not vulnerable, it's far from cold|pg|| nt|pibi: she had a borderline hand, maybe should have redoubled later|pg|| pc|c9|pc|s3|pc|c3|pc|c6|pg|| nt|landen: Bana... should have bid 4@s over partners 3@d IMHO|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dT|nt|landen: AKxxxx, x, x AKxxx certainly possible|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|landen: oops got suits wrong|pg|| pc|hQ|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hJ|pc|hK|pc|h7|pg|| pc|d7|pc|hT|nt|swanson: Yes, I'm here.|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s9|pg|| nt|reisig: glad to see you - John|pg|| nt|debrose: Play in the open room is much faster, and I see some exciting deals coming up!!|pg|| pc|s2|nt|debrose: Stay tuned.......|pg|| nt|debrose: I mean closed room faster, sorry|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sK|pc|h8|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c7|pc|cT|pc|s4|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sJ|pc|cJ|pc|s6|pg|| pc|s7|pc|cQ|pc|h9|pc|cK|pg|| pg|| qx|c8|st||md|2S962HAQJDQJ9CKT98,SAT743HK5DAK743CA,SKJHT74DT852CQ432,SQ85H98632D6CJ765|sv|o|nt|sam arf: se gli è caduta la carta..|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|nt|sam arf: Questo 4!p è difficile da non chiamare|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: mah|pg|| nt|ghost: in fila 3 4@S di buone sperenze|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|nt|ghost: speranze|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|nt|sam arf: Ovest dovrebbe cercare di non dichiararlo|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ghost: benissimo|pg|| nt|bafieri: ecco fatto!|pg|| nt|sam arf: ecco così|pg|| nt|julia11: wow|pg|| nt|ghost: e uno!!!!|pg|| nt|bafieri: mica siamo tifosi..... eheheheh|pg|| nt|ghost: nooooooooooo!!|pg|| pc|c2|nt|sam arf: se partiva nature 1p-2p, ma le convenzioni...|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: hanno corretto a 2 picche meno 3 credo|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c8|pc|cA|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|d9|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: siamo passati a -9 imps|pg|| nt|sam arf: come hanno licitato LA-VE?|pg|| nt|polpkeeper: puoi vederlo nel movie|pg|| nt|ghost: 1@S 2@S 3@D 3@H 4@S|pg|| nt|bafieri: 1P 2P 3Q 3C ! P 3P 4P|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|s5|pc|dJ|pg|| nt|ghost: y|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c9|pc|s3|pc|c3|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d8|pc|s8|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cT|pc|s4|pc|c4|pg|| nt|sam arf: hanno fatto tentativo slam mi pare|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dT|pc|sQ|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cK|pc|s7|pc|cQ|pg|| nt|polpkeeper: intanto l'aggiornamento che vi posso fornire sull'incontro della ragazze è che alla mano 7 dovrebbero essere sotto 10. contro l'Austria|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sJ|pc|h2|pc|s2|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sK|pc|h3|pc|s6|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|h5|pg|| pc|s9|pc|dK|pc|h7|pc|h8|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|hT|pc|h9|pg|| pg|| qx|o9|st||md|3SJ6542HJ2DQ97CAT5,S8HKT9874DJT3CJ96,SAKQT93HDA62C8742,S7HAQ653DK854CKQ3|sv|e|mb|1S|mb|2H|nt|debrose: 5@H is not a good save against 4@S, but could have the desirable effect of pushing N-S to 5@S|pg|| nt|landen: 2@H overcall too rich for my blood; I'd double|pg|| nt|debrose: Though 450 was scored in the other room, it doesn't seem like 5@S has any play|pg|| nt|debrose: I'm a doubler with the East hand too|pg|| nt|reisig: Steve is a chicken ....just like me:))|pg|| mb|3S|mb|4H|nt|debrose: With better hearts, add at least the T, I think you'd have a closer call|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|5H|mb|5S|nt|truffle: 5h was effective here|pg|| nt|debrose: In order to set 5@S, East needs to avoid a diamond lead, and then must unblock in clubs to avoid getting endplayed!!|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|nt|swanson: As a practical matter, it is impossible for North to pass over 5@H|pg|| mb|p|nt|debrose: What strength is shown by the 3@S bid is an interesting question|pg|| pc|hA|nt|debrose: Some treat it strictly as preemptive - 4 spade and 0-6 pts.|pg|| pc|h2|nt|debrose: Others use a wider range|pg|| nt|truffle: preemptive I think|pg|| nt|landen: must be mixed or limit raise|pg|| pc|h8|pc|s9|pg|| nt|debrose: Others, including myself, prefer to treat it as "mixed" about 7-9 support points with 4-card support|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s2|pc|s8|pg|| pc|d2|nt|landen: strange line of play: just giving up it looks like|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d7|nt|truffle: their card list JR in comp as preemptive|pg|| pc|dT|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c6|nt|pibi: not really - she prepares an endplay in case there are sec honors in clubs|pg|| pc|c4|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|debrose: It was probably never going to make, but most exciting would have been spade to dummy, cash @CA, and East must find unblock|pg|| pc|h4|pc|sT|pc|h5|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d4|pc|dQ|pc|d3|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dJ|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| pc|c2|nt|debrose: but this is better legitimate play, as Peter points out|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cT|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c7|pc|cK|pc|c5|pg|| nt|debrose: If East had held five diamonds and KQ doubleton clubs for example, this line would make|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c9|st||md|3SJ6542HJ2DQ97CAT5,S8HKT9874DJT3CJ96,SAKQT93HDA62C8742,S7HAQ653DK854CKQ3|sv|e|mb|1S|mb|d|nt|sam arf: 5@H=500|pg|| mb|2N|mb|3H|nt|sam arf: 3@H?|pg|| mb|4S|nt|bafieri: 3SA?|pg|| nt|bafieri: fit come?|pg|| nt|sam arf: fit con prese, ma tiratino|pg|| nt|ghost: come 4@S con prese|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|hT|pc|s9|pg|| nt|polpkeeper: stranamente in questo incontro la chiusa è avanti 3 board rispetto all'aperta; non so darmi spiegazione di questo fatto...|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s2|pc|s8|pg|| nt|ghost: fiori 3-3|pg|| nt|polpkeeper: Fulvio ci sei ancora?|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c3|nt|fulvio2002: ci sono ci sono|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c6|pg|| nt|polpkeeper: ;)))|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h9|nt|fulvio2002: sono al telefono|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|h6|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cQ|nt|fulvio2002: con norberto|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c9|pg|| nt|ghost: Fulvio, avrai già visto le prossime 2|pg|| pc|cK|nt|fulvio2002: so di un 4 picche un down che sio puo fare|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|c2|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dQ|pc|d3|pc|d2|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o10|st||md|4SAJ96HKJ5DAJCKJ94,S74HA62DQ8742CAT2,SQT532HQT98D63C85,SK8H743DKT95CQ763|sv|b|nt|pibi: exactly|pg|| nt|debrose: allowing Meyers to strip diamonds and hearts, then throw East in for ruff and sluff|pg|| nt|reisig: any 2 honor doubleton|pg|| mb|p|nt|debrose: yes|pg|| mb|1C|mb|1D|mb|1S|nt|debrose: Sorry Piotr, hope you don't mind my translating your name:):)|pg|| mb|2D|nt|pibi: that's fine Debbi|pg|| nt|debrose: Feel free to come up with a Polish version of Debbie|pg|| nt|swanson: A double by Meyers would have been negative, showing both majors.|pg|| nt|debrose: Usually that double would be treated as exactly 4-4 in the majors, thus the 1@S bid here|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|debrose: For newer players: the preemptive jump raise we discussed on the previous deal applies TO RESPONDER ONLY|pg|| pc|dT|nt|debrose: Jumps by opener are always strong|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d2|pc|d3|pc|dK|pg|| nt|debrose: A perfect fit and a couple of finesses allows 4@S to make here|pg|| nt|swanson: Too bad Randy didn't take the leap to 4@S. She would have made it.|pg|| nt|swanson: But will play spades immediately here for nine tricks.|pg|| nt|debrose: In 3@S, it is natural to make only 3|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cJ|nt|debrose: maybe not now....|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c5|pg|| nt|debrose: but if declarer needed to play hearts to get to hand, she'd risk a heart ruff by finessing the spade|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c8|pc|c6|pc|c4|pg|| pc|sT|nt|Walddk2: 16 boards per match in the women's event. The first 8 of 22 in each group will advance to the knock-out stages. The round-robin ends on Saturday|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s4|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|sQ|pc|s8|pg|| nt|Walddk2: This is round 9|pg|| nt|debrose: Was the @STen really led and covered?|pg|| nt|swanson: What's with the rise of the !K. Partner could have held Jx.|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c10|st||md|4SAJ96HKJ5DAJCKJ94,S74HA62DQ8742CAT2,SQT532HQT98D63C85,SK8H743DKT95CQ763|sv|b|nt|ghost: y, ma anche un 6 senza A e K atout|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: anche 6 cuori un down|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: buono|pg|| mb|p|mb|1C|nt|ghost: è l'expasse a fiori che decide|pg|| mb|p|nt|fulvio2002: bisogna indovinare la donna|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: se gioca norberto le facciamo sicuro ..... come ben sapete è esperto nel settore|pg|| nt|sam arf: 3@D|pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|nt|bafieri: :-)))))))))))))))))))|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: 2 fiopri 18 19 bilanciati|pg|| mb|1N|nt|sam arf: sul 2@D 18-20 era così|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: 2 cuori forse mostra 4 o più picche|pg|| mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|nt|fulvio2002: o vari tipi di mani |pg|| nt|ghost: 9 carte|pg|| mb|2S|nt|fulvio2002: adesso deve aver chiarito |pg|| mb|p|nt|sam arf: si certo e 2sa app quarto|pg|| nt|copeyj: .|pg|| nt|bafieri: non gioca norberto.....|pg|| mb|3S|nt|sam arf: 3@h aritexas|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d2|nt|fulvio2002: speriamo che giorgino trovi questa donna|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dK|pc|dA|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pc|d6|pc|d5|pg|| nt|sam arf: deve giocare gli assi non divisi....mm|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h8|pc|h7|pc|h5|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hQ|pc|h3|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|ghost: peccato 3 cuori in mano a Q@D|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s6|pc|s4|pg|| nt|sam arf: però con donna fiori potrebbe tornare fiori,ergo,,|pg|| nt|ghost: situazione cmq difficile x ovest|pg|| nt|sam arf: non vede 10@D|pg|| nt|julia11: nell'altra sala forse si poteva indovinare dopo l'intervento|pg|| nt|sam arf: ragionanmento però per surlevèe|pg|| nt|ghost: che voglia provare a cercare H@C?|pg|| nt|ghost: conterebbe però solo 17|pg|| nt|sam arf: scusate, l'accento è acuto|pg|| nt|ghost: K@C|pg|| nt|bafieri: potrebbe ornare neutro cuori.........|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: il problema credo sia|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s7|pg|| nt|bafieri: no ha giocato bene|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: perchè ha attaccato sotto donna di quadri|pg|| nt|ghost: maldido...|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h2|pc|h9|pc|h4|pg|| pc|s9|nt|fulvio2002: invece che sootto donna di fiori|pg|| pc|d4|pc|sT|pc|dT|pg|| pc|hT|pc|c7|pc|cK|pc|d7|pg|| nt|ghost: e vaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: e vai|pg|| nt|bafieri: BRAVOOOOOO|pg|| nt|julia11: evvvai|pg|| pc|c5|mc|9|pg|| qx|o11|st||md|1SQ5HQJT764DAJ7CQ5,S962HDKQT98532CT2,SKJT3HA952DCAKJ63,SA874HK83D64C9874|sv|o|mb|1H|nt|debrose: The Jack was in dummy, but it still seems like no possible gain to covering the Ten - maybe the Queen was actually led?|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Dangerous hand|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Only a spade lead will defeat slam|pg|| nt|debrose: Though we have one of the very best entering the cards at this table, so perhaps we shouldn't doubt our vugraph operator|pg|| mb|3D|nt|landen: now that's a sound preempt LOL|pg|| mb|5D|mb|p|nt|debrose: 3@D - any even number of diamonds, right?|pg|| nt|landen: exclusion RKC no doubt|pg|| nt|swanson: Exculsion Blackwood.|pg|| nt|debrose: oppurtunity for Poland here - best US can do is push the board, if they do not find the spade lead|pg|| nt|swanson: I don't think they will bid slam. Meyers will know they are off the spade ace and trump king.|pg|| nt|truffle: after exclusion west should find another lead|pg|| mb|5S|nt|debrose: Exclusion = 5@D asks partner how many Keycards (four Aces + trump K) she has OUTSIDE of diamonds - "excluding" the @DA that is|pg|| mb|p|nt|swanson: Wrong!|pg|| nt|truffle: hmmm|pg|| nt|lechcold: 102 answers?|pg|| nt|debrose: They seem to be using "1430" responses, so they got too high|pg|| nt|truffle: any ideas as to the 5"s" bid?|pg|| nt|swanson: They must be using 1430 responses. Complain to Eddie Kantar about this hand.|pg|| nt|debrose: The 5@S bid is showing 0 or 3 keycards|pg|| nt|truffle: really ...they can't be playing 1430 over exclusion can they?|pg|| nt|debrose: While "1430" is theoretically superior when 4NT is KC, it is better to use 0 or 3, 1 or 4 in response to non-4N keycard asks|pg|| nt|reisig: seems that they do:))|pg|| mb|6H|mb|p|nt|truffle: y, I play 1430 over 4nt only|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|debrose: But getting too high was their only chance on this deal!!|pg|| nt|reisig: What would X of 5@d mean?|pg|| nt|Walddk2: A black suit lead is obvious but which?|pg|| nt|debrose: If they knew the result in the other room they would want to be in 6|pg|| pc|dK|nt|vugraph3: :(|pg|| nt|debrose: They are risking only 3 IMPs (lose 14 instead of lose 11)|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Excuse me, but a diamond lead can't be right|pg|| nt|debrose: And they "gain" 11 here|pg|| nt|truffle: true.....were they properly alerted here?|pg|| nt|debrose: I believe they must have been|pg|| nt|ryskiel_: nothing gaining...the draw...|pg|| nt|reisig: Shouldn't X of 5@d mean lead a specific suit - of the other 2?|pg|| nt|debrose: South and West are screenmates, and clearly South interpreted the 5@D bid as exclusion, so she must have explained it as such to West|pg|| nt|pibi: I think Banasz... should have doubled 5@d|pg|| nt|debrose: Some player play double of a Splinter bid as suggesting the lead of a specific suit|pg|| nt|swanson: Surely it should - but who discusses such things.|pg|| nt|reisig: I do|pg|| nt|debrose: It is a good idea to discuss whether or not this applies over Exclusion - seems it should|pg|| nt|debrose: but better to discuss it|pg|| nt|debrose: Most seem to play it as asking for the lower ranking unbid suit|pg|| pc|s3|nt|debrose: Even so, that agreement would give West a better chance of finding the spade lead (assuming she was going to choose a black suit) because of the failure to double|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dA|pg|| nt|reisig: If X asks lower ...then lead @s if partner passes 5@s|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|reisig: 5@d|pg|| nt|reisig: A @d lead is OUT|pg|| pc|d5|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c7|pc|cQ|pc|c2|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cT|pc|cA|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c8|pc|s5|pc|d2|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c9|pc|sQ|pc|d3|pg|| nt|debrose: Montin had no intention of finessing the heart, even if West had followed|pg|| nt|debrose: Leading the Queen in that position is good technique - just in case you can induce a cover|pg|| pc|c6|nt|Walddk2: Just another flat board|pg|| nt|debrose: To clarify for newer players - the percentage play for no losers with ten cards missing the King is to finesse, NOT to play for the drop|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|c11|st||md|1SQ5HQJT764DAJ7CQ5,S962HDKQT98532CT2,SKJT3HA952DCAKJ63,SA874HK83D64C9874|sv|o|nt|julia11: bravo giorgino!!!!|pg|| nt|ghost: ed ecco il 6 meno 1|pg|| nt|sam arf: grande psicologia(spiegherà dopo motivi..)|pg|| mb|1H|mb|4D|nt|fulvio2002: fermarsi in questa mano non è facile|pg|| mb|5D|mb|p|nt|sam arf: 5@h|pg|| mb|5H|nt|fulvio2002: senza attacco picche si possono fare|pg|| mb|p|nt|sam arf: e mezzo|pg|| mb|6C|nt|bafieri: eh ma adesso arriva ...|pg|| mb|p|mb|6H|nt|fulvio2002: ne dice sicuramente 6|pg|| mb|p|nt|bafieri: il 6@H|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: senza attacco picche si scopre|pg|| nt|bafieri: ma si può fare nei giorni fortunati|pg|| nt|ghost: 10@C pls|pg|| nt|sam arf: ci sta, troppo gioco..|pg|| mb|p|nt|fulvio2002: deve attaccare in un colore nero dopo questa dichiarazione|pg|| nt|sommer: !!!|pg|| nt|bafieri: e non sbagliano mai !|pg|| mb|p|pc|dK|nt|fulvio2002: bravo Jansma|pg|| pc|s3|pc|d6|pc|dA|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|ghost: stesso attacco|pg|| pc|d2|pc|hA|nt|sam arf: grande board pari!|pg|| pc|h3|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c4|pc|cQ|pc|cT|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|c7|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c8|pc|s5|pc|d3|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c9|pc|sQ|pc|d5|pg|| pc|c6|pc|h8|pc|hJ|pc|d8|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|o12|st||md|2SK85HKQJ6DK943C72,SAJT63HT95DJ7CQJ9,S974H87DAT2CA8543,SQ2HA432DQ865CKT6|sv|n|nt|debrose: But given the preempt and the chance of getting rid of the spades on clubs before the opponents could ruff in, finessing would clearly be wrong here|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|debrose: The overcall of 1@S with the West hand is routine for tournament players|pg|| nt|debrose: Good five-card suits get in very light at the one level|pg|| mb|p|nt|reisig: who needs 5? :)))|pg|| pc|h8|nt|debrose: South would have been better off passing the board out as it turns out, but in the long run I think that's a bad idea|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Someone didn't overcall on AKJx earlier today. Richie disagreed :-)|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|h5|pg|| nt|debrose: How about AKQ third, Richie? How low can we get you?|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h9|pc|h7|pc|hA|pg|| nt|Walddk2: "If I didn't overcall 1@S with that my partner would think I was drunk", was his comment|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s4|pg|| nt|truffle: could be right:>|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s7|pc|s2|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s9|pc|h3|pc|s8|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|c2|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c7|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Funny you should say that Debbie. Not so long ago Richie overcalled 1@D on AKQ|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c12|st||md|2SK85HKQJ6DK943C72,SAJT63HT95DJ7CQJ9,S974H87DAT2CA8543,SQ2HA432DQ865CKT6|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|sam arf: VE LA hanno tutti top, avversari soggiogati|pg|| mb|1N|nt|ghost: mano pericolosa x il 2@S di E/O|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|fulvio2002: mano in cui gli olandesi hanno fatto il massimo segnando un parziale a loro favore|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h5|pc|h7|nt|sam arf: va bene questa non è buona in chiusa..|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: qui ne perdiamo 5|pg|| pc|h2|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h9|pc|h8|pc|hA|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s7|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cA|pc|cT|pc|c2|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d5|pc|d3|pc|d7|pg|| nt|ghost: momento "no"|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|dK|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hT|pc|c3|pc|h3|pg|| pc|h6|pc|cJ|pc|c4|pc|h4|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|o13|st||md|3SQ2HAKT9DJ74CJT87,ST953H765D5CAK543,SHQJ2DAQT98632C92,SAKJ8764H843DKCQ6|sv|b|nt|debrose: East didn't respond to partner's overcall because game was out of the question with partner a passed hand (though some might bid 1N anyway)|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Maybe he forgot|pg|| nt|reisig: I like 3 card 1@d overcalls with 3 honors|pg|| mb|3N|nt|debrose: I said earlier I wouldn't make predictions anymore - apparently I can tell the past better than the future|pg|| mb|4S|nt|debrose: 3NT showed a broken minor suit preempt|pg|| nt|debrose: either clubs or diamonds|pg|| nt|reisig: this is a great save|pg|| nt|swanson: This is a tough decision for Montin,|pg|| nt|debrose: Many players use this in conjunction with "namyats" where 4m openings show good hands with the corresponding major|pg|| mb|5C|mb|d|nt|Walddk2: In the match Italy vs. Netherlands one pair bid and made 6@D, the other pair 5@D +1|pg|| mb|5D|nt|landen: I think she 5 of a minor is clear-the opps with so many spades will usually go 5|pg|| nt|reisig: played from the "right" side:)|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|5S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hA|nt|landen: funny, all 6 viewgraph tables played slam off 2 keycards on board 11|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h2|pc|h3|pg|| nt|debrose: How many made it? All?|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|hJ|pc|h4|pg|| nt|landen: no ITA, NET both down on spade leads|pg|| nt|debrose: Note that 5@D can be set by leading three rounds of clubs, but East couldn't find a club lead|pg|| nt|landen: Greece went down on diamond lead! and french accident resulted in 6@c down|pg|| nt|vugraph3: after dbl?|pg|| nt|landen: no doubles for leads|pg|| nt|debrose: Even after the double of 5@C, I think a club lead most unlikely.|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h7|pc|hQ|pc|h8|pg|| nt|debrose: On this deal, that is|pg|| pc|dA|pc|dK|pc|d4|pc|d5|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cQ|pc|c7|pc|c3|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c13|st||md|3SQ2HAKT9DJ74CJT87,ST953H765D5CAK543,SHQJ2DAQT98632C92,SAKJ8764H843DKCQ6|sv|b|mb|4D|mb|4S|nt|julia11: grazie|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|sam arf: in chiusa hanno aperto di 3@D con 11Quadri|pg|| mb|p|pc|hK|pc|h5|nt|sam arf: .......................................................|pg|| nt|polpkeeper: pregate|pg|| nt|ghost: diventa interessante|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h6|nt|ghost: voglio vedere attaccare Q@C|pg|| nt|sam arf: @H|pg|| nt|polpkeeper: il contro vuol dire @h o @C, credo|pg|| pc|h2|nt|polpkeeper: a posto!!!!!!!!!!111|pg|| nt|ghost: passetto avanti|pg|| pc|h4|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h7|pc|hJ|pc|h8|pg|| pc|dA|pc|dK|pc|d4|nt|ghost: undo|pg|| pc|d5|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: questa carta sposta un miliardo di imps|pg|| nt|polpkeeper: dai Norby...|pg|| nt|polpkeeper: chiamalo al telefono ancora|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: esattamente 20 o 21|pg|| nt|sam arf: solo se mischia...|pg|| nt|sam arf: però J@D è apprezzabile|pg|| nt|ghost: nell'altra sala era + facile, giocava 5|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: finito di lavorare per oggi ?|pg|| nt|sam arf: cè in gioco il 2 down, poterebbe indovinare|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: si accettano scommesse|pg|| nt|polpkeeper: io so che già soffro dopo poco dall'inizio|pg|| nt|polpkeeper: del campionato dico|pg|| nt|ghost: nessuno osa proferire parola|pg|| nt|julia11: tutti con il fiato sospeso|pg|| nt|sam arf: Sta sentendo i loro odori,credo|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: asso .. asso .... asso ..... |pg|| nt|julia11: forza giorgino...facci sognare!!!!!!|pg|| nt|sam arf: l'asma|pg|| nt|sam arf: Jansimi|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: mi dicono giustamente che sposta 27 imps|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|sJ|nt|julia11: norberto sorry|pg|| nt|polpkeeper: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: woww|pg|| nt|polpkeeper: ha pensato a Belladonna!|pg|| nt|polpkeeper: (Il Re è sempre secco quando è secco!)|pg|| nt|julia11: lol|pg|| pc|d7|pc|c3|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|mc|9|pg|| qx|o14|st||md|4SK6HAQ7432D52CKQ9,SJ9853HJDAJ76C876,SQHT85DK98CAJT432,SAT742HK96DQT43C5|sv|o|nt|debrose: Landen is discussing lead on board 11|pg|| nt|reisig: South could have bid 4N instead of 5@c|pg|| nt|debrose: Hi|pg|| mb|p|nt|debrose: sorry, meant to be private|pg|| mb|1H|nt|debrose: But hi to all of you, too:):)|pg|| mb|p|nt|pibi: I don't think so - 4NT is to play, while 5@c=pass/correct|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|debrose: 4@H down one|pg|| nt|debrose: This looks like a deal where declarer played Ace and heart to try to avoid a ruff, and ended up getting one instead|pg|| nt|debrose: I'm guessing|pg|| nt|debrose: spade lead, club shift|pg|| nt|reisig: no other way|pg|| nt|debrose: Declarer plays Ace and a heart, and now East gets West in with diamond for club ruff|pg|| pc|c7|nt|reisig: different problem now ...who has 1@c?|pg|| nt|swanson: Declarer might well finesse in trumps now because she doesn't know there is only one diamond loser.|pg|| nt|debrose: Declarer here has other issues|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c5|pc|c9|pg|| nt|debrose: If she doesn't finesse trump she could go down when Kx is onside if West has spade Ace and East has diamond Ace|pg|| nt|pibi: must finesse in hearts |pg|| pc|h5|pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|h2|nt|debrose: not clear what is best|pg|| pc|s9|pc|hT|nt|debrose: except for us looking at all four hands, of course|pg|| pc|hK|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s6|pc|s8|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|d8|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c2|pc|h9|pc|cQ|pg|| nt|debrose: The @S9 discard was presumably discouraging|pg|| nt|pibi: this line is clearly inferior - it wins only when Kx @s is offside and A@d onside|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c14|st||md|4SK6HAQ7432D52CKQ9,SJ9853HJDAJ76C876,SQHT85DK98CAJT432,SAT742HK96DQT43C5|sv|o|nt|polpkeeper: questa sposta 27 imps e 1000 punti di morale|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: bravo norberto a farle|pg|| nt|ghost: verissimo Luca|pg|| nt|sam arf: è sbagliato, perchè non serve stravincere, tattican|pg|| mb|p|nt|ghost: il fiato sta tornando|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: non bravo veres ad attaccare picche|pg|| nt|sam arf: tatticamente|pg|| mb|1H|nt|fulvio2002: serve sempre vincere|pg|| mb|p|nt|fulvio2002: potrebbe capitare una giornata difficile ... ed allora i punti servono|pg|| mb|2N|nt|fulvio2002: senza contare che arrivare primi da diritto di scelta|pg|| mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|nt|sam arf: certo(ma gli altri devono pensare che ci dispiace perchè siamo diabolici)|pg|| nt|polpkeeper: mi suggeriscono che il Re secco è il più secco di tutti...è l'unico con l'immagine di profilo...|pg|| nt|polpkeeper: Re di qaudri|pg|| nt|polpkeeper: quadri scusate|pg|| nt|julia11: ehehehheh|pg|| mb|p|pc|s9|nt|polpkeeper: non me ne paralre|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|fulvio2002: se è secco ... non ha nulla a che fare con me :)|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s6|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cK|pc|c6|pc|c2|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hJ|pc|h5|pc|h6|pg|| nt|polpkeeper: tutti bella arzilli a +15, dopo che Norby l'ha preso, neh?|pg|| pc|h2|pc|d7|pc|hT|pc|hK|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|d8|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c3|pc|h9|pc|c9|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o15|st||md|1SAKJ5HQT73DT94CQ2,ST942H984DJ753CA9,S8HA52DAQ62CKJ754,SQ763HKJ6DK8CT863|sv|n|nt|pibi: sorry Kx @h|pg|| nt|reisig: If you intend to play @h ace -- don't win the @c in dummy w the Jack|pg|| nt|vugraph3: TD in box 3 minutes|pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|nt|debrose: and loses to Kx onside with diamond (and spade) wrong or position we saw here |pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|nt|debrose: yes, seems inferior|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|4C|nt|landen: that's what Montin deserves for bidding 2@h|pg|| mb|p|nt|landen: I think she's rattled from previous hand|pg|| mb|4N|mb|p|mb|p|nt|debrose: Perhaps their system dictates that they must bid a major here over 2@C- 2NT certainly is more normal|pg|| mb|p|nt|landen: 2@H is normal??????????|pg|| pc|s9|nt|truffle: 2nt seems to be a standout|pg|| nt|landen: Not in the midwest it's not|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s3|pc|sJ|pg|| nt|debrose: Note that the 4NT bid was "To Play"|pg|| nt|vugraph3: now only 2@C is green|pg|| nt|debrose: It is Standard practice, when a 3N bid is taken out to try for slam in a minor, for a 4N bid by the 3N bidder to be a signoff|pg|| nt|truffle: sorry all, I must leave before the end of this match. Enjoy|pg|| nt|landen: see ya JoAnn|pg|| nt|debrose: This is an important understanding to have, so that one can try for minor suit slams and still hope to survive in 4N if 3N was actually best|pg|| nt|reisig: By JoAnn:)|pg|| nt|debrose: Bye JoAnn|pg|| nt|truffle: bye|pg|| nt|vugraph3: thx JoANN|pg|| pc|dT|nt|reisig: kick Danny for me:))|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d2|pc|dK|pg|| pc|s6|nt|truffle: will do:)|pg|| nt|vugraph3: 7@D was very important|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|h2|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|vugraph3: Q@C too|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c3|pg|| nt|truffle: yikes did they really play the "7d"|pg|| nt|truffle: I still can't figure out the symbols....some day|pg|| pc|c9|nt|debrose: Marek (our vugraph operator) wants us to know that the @D7 was not his choice (or error). Thanks for clarifying|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c6|pc|c2|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c8|pc|h3|pc|h8|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d8|pc|d4|pc|d3|pg|| nt|debrose: I'm told they play "inverted smith echo" which I'll explain in a moment. But no signaling method takes priority over "don't signal with a potential trick"|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|s7|pc|d9|nt|debrose: It doesn't prove to hurt here though|pg|| pc|d5|pg|| nt|pibi: hmm - this is an interesting battle :)|pg|| nt|vugraph3: :)|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cT|pc|h7|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hT|pc|h9|pc|h5|pg|| pc|sK|nt|reisig: the battle was over:)|pg|| nt|pibi: amazing!|pg|| pc|s4|nt|landen: not their best exhibition of card play|pg|| pc|d6|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|dJ|pc|hA|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|c7|pc|hK|pc|s5|pc|sT|pg|| pg|| qx|c15|st||md|1SAKJ5HQT73DT94CQ2,ST942H984DJ753CA9,S8HA52DAQ62CKJ754,SQ763HKJ6DK8CT863|sv|n|nt|sam arf: qui ha dato un contre a 4 picche euforico|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: anche il 6 quadri non è una bellissima dichiarzione |pg|| mb|1C|mb|p|nt|fulvio2002: ha già aperto di 4 quadri|pg|| nt|ghost: in questa mano gli opps stanno giocando un normale 3nt|pg|| nt|polpkeeper: Signore -16 control l'Austria dopo la 11|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: comunque il risultato è quello che conta|pg|| mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2H|nt|fulvio2002: e vai norbi|pg|| mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|nt|fulvio2002: quando si gasa non si ferma più !! |pg|| nt|fulvio2002: beh ! speriamo che qui non vada oltre la manche|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|sT|nt|fulvio2002: 2 quadri probabilmente indica una mano bilanciata |pg|| pc|s8|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cA|nt|polpkeeper: stessa cosa in chiusa: 3 senza da Sud|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c3|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d2|nt|sam arf: vede 8 prese a carte coperte|pg|| nt|sam arf: con fiori 4-2|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d9|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|d6|pc|s3|pg|| nt|sam arf: è a corto di rientri in mano...|pg|| nt|sam arf: non ha risolto, ma sta meglio|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: lo scarto è complicato|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d5|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sJ|nt|sam arf: fritto misto(è il migliore)|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: se gioca cuori ...|pg|| pc|s4|nt|sam arf: fa asso e cuori|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: bene così|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: adesso scarta cuori|pg|| nt|ghost: ora si contano 9 prese anche con fiori 4-2|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: poi gioca quadri per verificare se cade il fante di quadri|pg|| pc|h2|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c9|pc|cK|pc|c6|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c8|pc|h3|nt|fulvio2002: niente|pg|| pc|h4|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cT|pc|h7|pc|h8|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s5|pc|s9|nt|sam arf: però le fa picche divise|pg|| pc|h5|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o16|st||md|2SKT5HJ7DKT7532CQ5,S82HT9832DJ6CT764,SJ93HA64DQ9CAKJ82,SAQ764HKQ5DA84C93|sv|e|nt|frajerzyna: hard to believe|pg|| mb|p|mb|1C|nt|debrose: Smith Echo (usually used vs. NT only) - A high card by either player on the first suit declarer leads indicates a desire to have the opening lead continued|pg|| nt|swanson: Scarry way to gain an IMP.|pg|| nt|debrose: Reverse smith = opposite. low asks for lead continued|pg|| mb|1S|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s2|nt|reisig: There are no words....|pg|| nt|landen: standard Polish lead-low from doubleton, 2/4 best|pg|| nt|debrose: Meyers-Montin use a 10-12 NT opening in this position, thus the 1@C bid|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|s5|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sT|pc|s8|pc|s9|pg|| nt|landen: making 4/5 now|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pg|| nt|swanson: What is the lead with, say Q82?|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sK|nt|landen: Poland will win and about pull even with US |pg|| pc|h9|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c4|pc|c2|pc|c3|pg|| pc|c5|nt|landen: even in victory points, that is|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cA|pc|c9|pg|| pc|cK|pc|d4|pc|d3|nt|landen: Q82, lead 8|pg|| pc|c7|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|h5|pc|d5|pc|cT|pg|| pc|c8|nt|swanson: I'm up to the 9th "8" response on that question.|pg|| pc|d8|pc|h7|pc|h2|pg|| pc|d9|pc|s7|pc|dK|pc|dJ|pg|| nt|frajerzyna: Congratulations Polish girls !!!!!!! |pg|| nt|vugraph3: thx all - see you tomorrow|pg|| nt|landen: Well done Poland|pg|| nt|debrose: Thanks - bye everyone|pg|| nt|pibi: bye|pg|| nt|frajerzyna: Thank you very much|pg|| nt|landen: tata|pg|| nt|vugraph3: good night|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c16|st||md|2SKT5HJ7DKT7532CQ5,S82HT9832DJ6CT764,SJ93HA64DQ9CAKJ82,SAQ764HKQ5DA84C93|sv|e|nt|ghost: conto pari in attacco|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s6|pc|s5|nt|sam arf: 2fper @D|pg|| pc|s8|nt|ghost: ancora un parziale, questa volta con 24|pg|| pc|sJ|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d8|nt|sam arf: punto cieco del sistema|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: non saprei|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d6|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s4|pc|sT|pc|s2|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c4|pc|c2|pc|c3|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c6|nt|sam arf: 2@d non chiarisce se fiori o mano di SA|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c9|pg|| pc|cK|nt|ghost: bravo|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: questa sera le quadri sono il colore di norberto|pg|| nt|fulvio2002: non le sbaglia mai|pg|| nt|sam arf: scusate, ma se sapete come sono messe le carte, imparate i punteggi (di manche)|pg|| nt|sam arf: o in prima forse ci si riposa|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d3|pc|c7|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|h5|pc|d5|pc|cT|pg|| pc|c8|pc|s7|pc|h7|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hK|pc|hJ|pc|h3|pg|| mc|9|pg||